Talk:John Damonte
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| John Damonte - additonal note. | 2 | 17:51, February 20, 2014 |
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After I made this "stub" biography (in the hopes that other would complete it) I saw the following in a comment. "... John Damonte who was protesting that vile disconnection practice back in the 60's." and wondered if that was surprise that disconnection went right back to the 60s. Of course it did. I remember well, the following, which is probably not documented. When I worked at Saint HillThe name of LRH's home in East Grinstead, Sussex, England. (BTB 12 Apr 72R)
in the 60s (date uncertain, but possibly could be 64) Ron issued something like 5 to 8 policy letters usually with some days between them, where the title included a word like "Morals". There came an order (written, but not a Policy Letter, which is whyThat basic outness found which will lead to a recovery of stats. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II) I say "undocumented") that all copies of those Policy Letters were to be destroyed and replaced by new Policy Letters (dates the same) where the word "morals" in the title was to be changed to Ethics.
A little later (a year or so) I was working in Mimeo at Saint HillThe name of LRH's home in East Grinstead, Sussex, England. (BTB 12 Apr 72R) and the Sea OrgAbbreviation for Sea Organization. (Modern Management Technology Defined (C) 1976). had been started. Ron wanted to runUndergo processing. (Science of Survival, p.75) what became the Org Executive Course on the Ship. This was before the Org Exec Course (Green Volumes) were made, and at that time, if you wanted to look at a Policy letter, it would be the mimeographed (duplicated from a stencil) copy. We (Saint HillThe name of LRH's home in East Grinstead, Sussex, England. (BTB 12 Apr 72R)) got an LRHL. Ron Hubbard order to provide packs of all (I think all) Policy letters. At that time I had a mimeo staff of about four. We were ordered to work full out at it, and were excused of everything else. We worked overtime (excused of every other staff commitment) and had little idea of what was happening in the rest of the Saint HillThe name of LRH's home in East Grinstead, Sussex, England. (BTB 12 Apr 72R). I remember taking a break, and seeing a new Policy Letter (there was another LRHL. Ron Hubbard Mimeo, which handled new things he wrote). I was appalled. It was a short single page Policy Letter, and described the penalties for Lower Ethics Conditions (the below nonexistence ones). One of them said clearly that the person was to wear old clothes, not be allowed to leave the premises, and not be allowed to have a bath. For some hours I mulled this over. Was Ron having a joke. Surely he would not use his Policy Letter lineThe military type of organization form whereby there is a definite ascending and descending chain of command. Orders pass from top management down the line of command and compliances and data pass on up without by-passing the chain of command. (Modern Management Defined (c) L. Ron Hubbard, 1976) to make a joke of that nature. But surely he would never seriously mean such a thing. I had a problema problem is postulate-counter-postulate, terminal-counter-terminal, force-counter-force. It’s one thing versus another thing. You’ve got two forces or two ideas which are interlocked of comparable magnitude and the thing stops right there. All right, now with these two things one stuck against the other you get a sort of a timelessness, it floats in time. (SH Spec 82, 6111C21) 2 . a problem is a postulate-counter-postulate resulting in indecision. That is the first manifestation of problems, and the first consequence of a problem is indecision. (SH Spec 27, 6107C11) 3 . a multiple confusion. (SH Spec 26X, 6107C03) 4 . an intention counter-intention that worries the preclear. (HCOB 23 Feb 61) 5 . a problem is the conflict arising from two opposing intentions. A present time problem is one that exists in present time, in a real universe. (HCOB 3 Jul 59) 6 . something which is persisting, the as-is-ness of which cannot be attained easily. (PRO 16, 5408CM20).
We (mimeo) were totally absorbed in this gigantic job, and did not know what was going on in the rest of the orgShort for organization. (HCO PL 8 Sept 69).
I later learned that the rest of the org was plagued by missions from this new thing, The Sea OrgAbbreviation for Sea Organization. (Modern Management Technology Defined (C) 1976). (or its early beginnings)
Believe me, the early signs of Ron's tendency to megalomania were evident at times way back.
He did make some efforts to be "scientific" insisting that all he wrote and spoke would be available, so people could follow his "lineThe military type of organization form whereby there is a definite ascending and descending chain of command. Orders pass from top management down the line of command and compliances and data pass on up without by-passing the chain of command. (Modern Management Defined (c) L. Ron Hubbard, 1976) of research".
The bad from those times also needs to be made known, so that a balanced judgement can be made about his work.
All best wishes,
Ant
Stated factually, as you have done, is a great service to those studying the subject. A balanced narrative without attempt to sugar-coat nor demonize, is what I like to see.
People are smart enough to find the threads of truth for themselves I believe.
Yes. I believe part of the data series (or something green on white) is that to judge a situation you need "all the facts" (a bit of a tall order, but you do need as much as possible and reasonable of the relevant facts). Another important "green on white" is a necessity to be able to evaluate importances. To move to an entirely different field, there has been a "big fuss" in Denmark and abroad because the Zoo here killed a youngish giraffe. Totally out of proportion. A lack of interest in the facts behind it.
Dear Ant, thank you for posting this information about John Damonte. It adds nicely to the growing knowledgebase about people who were involved with and contributed to the Scientology movement.
