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The following was moved to the new Liquid Threads format. It is Max Hauri's response.(Ronsorg) on 3-19-2012
Pat, this subject is actually worth to investigate more thoroughly. I didn't make an easy decision, believe me.
Just to make sure, the bulletin 27 May 1970 Unreading Questions And Items is not at discussion at all, this one is correct, I only discredit that a quote out of context was put into the Tech Dict and taken as a reference for Read.
It is the bulletin 23 June 80R (revised 25 Feb 1982) Checking Questions On Grades Processes which is at stake. To point out clearly, 25 Feb 82 was the first time when we had to check grade processes for read. The first issue 23 June 80 was more or less a re-release of the bulletin 22 Oct 70.
For me it is now not clear when you left the church, probably earlier then I did as you have been closer to the eye of the hurricane, and after all you were so much more experienced then I was then. So I am not sure if you read that bulletin being still in the church or after you have left. The big schism was already in progress mid '82.
This points out a big huge outpoint. Remember Mayo was removed from postA position from which a terminal operates in an org, where one knows that somebody is at. (FO 2200)
Aug 1982. CBR left the church already beginning 1981. So did many others in that time. Also 1982 17th Oct the USUnited States. (Modern Management Technology Defined (C) 1976). Mission Holders' Conference, San Francisco took place. Factually several thousands if not ten-thousands left the church then.
The outpoint is that 1982 the church was already pretty suppressive, Miscavige already took over, and LRHL. Ron Hubbard on the other hand is happily writing bulletins and policy letters but not being aware of what is going on in the church – at least not mentioning it but discrediting publicly his earlier friend and auditor1. one who listens and computes; a Scn practitioner. 2. one who has been trained in the technology of Scn. An auditor applies standard technology to preclears. 3. a person who through church training becomes skilled in the successful application of Dn and Scn to his family, friends and the public to achieve the ability gained as stated on the Gradation Chart for his class of training...more. I dare to say David Mayo is meant by that and if not, it is a generalization anyway Hubbard wouldn't have done: "The person who had originally approved – and even taken part in writing – this incorrect and illegally issued HCOBHubbard Communications Office Bulletin (technical bulletin) Also colloquially referred to as "red on white" HCOB's are always red ink on white paper. later sought to cover these actions by "discovering the error," attributing it to someone else, and "calling it to my attention.""[Quote of HCOBHubbard Communications Office Bulletin (technical bulletin) Also colloquially referred to as "red on white" HCOB's are always red ink on white paper. 23 June 80RA]
I other words I doubt that LRHL. Ron Hubbard wrote those issues, all of them.
Next question is what is the purpose of the grade processes? To take charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more off as in Dianetics1. DIA (Greek) through, NOUS (Greek) mind, deals with a system of mental image pictures in relation to psychic (spiritual) trauma. The mental image pictures are believed on the basis of personal revelation to be comprising mental activity created and formed by the spirit, and not by the body or brain. (BPL 24 Sept 73 V) 2. Dn addresses the body. Thus Dn is used to knock out and erase illnesses, unwanted sensations, misemotion, somatics, pain, etc. Dn came before Scn. It disposed of body illness and the difficulties a thetan was having with his body. (HCOB 22 Apr 69)...more or to provide the pc with abilities? If the answer is "to take charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more off" because you are handling locks – then I have to deny that. You do not handle locks, for that we have other techniques, Dianetics1. DIA (Greek) through, NOUS (Greek) mind, deals with a system of mental image pictures in relation to psychic (spiritual) trauma. The mental image pictures are believed on the basis of personal revelation to be comprising mental activity created and formed by the spirit, and not by the body or brain. (BPL 24 Sept 73 V) 2. Dn addresses the body. Thus Dn is used to knock out and erase illnesses, unwanted sensations, misemotion, somatics, pain, etc. Dn came before Scn. It disposed of body illness and the difficulties a thetan was having with his body. (HCOB 22 Apr 69)...more and Lock Scanningone contacts an early lock on the track and goes rapidly or slowly through all such similar incidents straight to present time. One does this many times and the whole chain of locks become ineffective in influencing one. (HFP, pp. 99-100), etc. And if to "take charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more off" then I ask what's about Objectives? Don't we see pcs going through heavy charges and masses sometimes? Then whyThat basic outness found which will lead to a recovery of stats. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II) not to check those processes on the meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more?
The intention is to increase abilities - does that then mean abilities are suppressed by charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more? What if the ability was never there in the first place?
Very important is to keep the runway small and simple. For example HAS Co-Auditing. Many of those processes are today part of the grades. Do we now introduce two different standards? If auditedThe application of Scientology processes and procedures to someone by a trained auditor. (Dianetics & Scientology Technical Dictionary (C) 1975) in HAS Co-Audit you don't use an e-meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more but you do on the grades?
And last but not least the experience: It runs fine.
I don't damn the e-meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more, we certainly need it, but put it where it belongs to!
Don't take Class VIIIThe Class VIII Course teaches exact handling of all cases up to 100 per cent result, as well as Class VIII procedures, all case setup actions, all processes and corrective actions, as well as flubless Class VIII auditing. (Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary (C) 1975) down to Class 0 or even lower.
Max Hauri, 19 March 2012 Ronsorg
I was trained in 1988 at the FSO, shortly after the release of the new Levels Checksheets and packs. I completely understand the aspect of relativity in comparison to when one was trained, what they have experienced since that training, who was the training C/S2. the C/S is the case supervisor. He has to be an accomplished and properly certified auditor and a person trained additionally to supervise cases...MORE for that individual and when were they trained as a C/S2. the C/S is the case supervisor. He has to be an accomplished and properly certified auditor and a person trained additionally to supervise cases...MORE etc.
It has been our observation as an Organization that people do very much tend to stick on technical points that became their stable datum from the time of their training. It almost becomes a service facsimile2. a theta recording. All physical perceptions, all effort, emotion and thought which a person experiences are recorded continuously, and these recordings are called “facsimiles.” They are not dependent upon an organism for their continued existence. Any facsimile which has been recorded is there to be recalled-when the individual has risen high enough on the tone scale, when he has regained enough of his self-determinism. (Abil 114A)...More manifestation of "That's what is right and nothing else!" when it comes to technical issues. Practically to a point that I believe this manifestation is one of the primary "whys" on individuation in the field in regards to out-techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) finger pointing amongst auditors and C/SesAbbreviation for Case Supervisor. (Modern Management Technology Defined (C) 1976). in the field. Everyone takes the "The techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) was right when I got out!" viewpoint and never changes, adapts, grows, or furthers themselves beyond their stuck point, similar to the phenomena LRHL. Ron Hubbard talks about in the HCOBHubbard Communications Office Bulletin (technical bulletin) Also colloquially referred to as "red on white" HCOB's are always red ink on white paper. "Why thetans mock up."
In other words, yes there were constant changes in the techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) for decades, as it was a dynamic1. any one of the eight subdivisions of the dynamic principle of existence-SURVIVE. (PXL, p. 49) 2. dynamic is the ability to translate solutions into action. (HFP, p. 171) 3. the tenacity to life and vigor and persistence in survival. (DMSMH, p. 38) subject during the period of LRHL. Ron Hubbard researching the subject. Others were involved, and things did get erroneously deleted or purposefully deleted without his permission. There were other reasons as well, some much more nefarious than others in regards to having the correct technologyThe methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) ''Abbr.'' tech. In short, its all relative to the comparable that one has in the techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65). Some have much less data to compare than others, some are literally stuck in time, as any change would destabilize their ability to auditThe application of Scientology processes and procedures to someone by a trained auditor. (Dianetics & Scientology Technical Dictionary (C) 1975), to the detriment of their own consideration, monitoring their ability.
What I was taught, and have found to be true in countless sessions with PCs and Pre-OTs as well as solo is this. "Things that don't read, won't runUndergo processing. (Science of Survival, p.75)." The meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more isn't giving one permission to auditThe application of Scientology processes and procedures to someone by a trained auditor. (Dianetics & Scientology Technical Dictionary (C) 1975) something, it is VERIFYING the charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more is there. If the subject isn't charged, one is quite literally making a being who is more than capable of mocking up mass, to do just that, mock something up to runUndergo processing. (Science of Survival, p.75).
NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III. was developed to handle just that, originally, for Dianetics1. DIA (Greek) through, NOUS (Greek) mind, deals with a system of mental image pictures in relation to psychic (spiritual) trauma. The mental image pictures are believed on the basis of personal revelation to be comprising mental activity created and formed by the spirit, and not by the body or brain. (BPL 24 Sept 73 V) 2. Dn addresses the body. Thus Dn is used to knock out and erase illnesses, unwanted sensations, misemotion, somatics, pain, etc. Dn came before Scn. It disposed of body illness and the difficulties a thetan was having with his body. (HCOB 22 Apr 69)...more PCs who had gone past clear and were now being asked to look for something that wasn't there, thus mocking up casethe whole sum of past by-passed charge. (HCOB 19 Aug 63). Whether its NED or grades, with what we know now, given the NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III. data, running unreading items is contrary to the purpose of NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III. and it's inception in the first place. It was a solution to overrunning those who had no charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more left. Yes, on Dianetics1. DIA (Greek) through, NOUS (Greek) mind, deals with a system of mental image pictures in relation to psychic (spiritual) trauma. The mental image pictures are believed on the basis of personal revelation to be comprising mental activity created and formed by the spirit, and not by the body or brain. (BPL 24 Sept 73 V) 2. Dn addresses the body. Thus Dn is used to knock out and erase illnesses, unwanted sensations, misemotion, somatics, pain, etc. Dn came before Scn. It disposed of body illness and the difficulties a thetan was having with his body. (HCOB 22 Apr 69)...more, but the same holds true for grades also. Both are subjective processes, DIanetics having an objective manifestation in the physical universe on the body, being the only difference. Charge on a meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more validates the axiomatic principle of "For anything to persist there is a lie behind it." If it isn't charged, there is nothing to as-is, for only charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more shows persistence in the form of a read on the meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more, in the form a manifesting dissipation showing up as a read, if only slightly, as one of the four types of falls, or an instant F/N on some occasions.
With NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III. technologyThe methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) ''Abbr.'' tech being the most recent on the chain of discoveries, did it only become apparent through research and discovery that the composite being was ultimately, the monitoring factor for the need of reading questions, and obviously items. Just because one part of the composite is free of charge1. harmful energy or force accumulated and stored within the reactive mind, resulting from the conflicts and unpleasant experiences that a person has had. Auditing discharges this charge so that it is no longer there to affect the individual. (Scn AD)..more does not discount the balance of the composite casethe whole sum of past by-passed charge. (HCOB 19 Aug 63) that is left. To me, this is the key concept for needing reading questions. One has to take a macro view on the time lineThe military type of organization form whereby there is a definite ascending and descending chain of command. Orders pass from top management down the line of command and compliances and data pass on up without by-passing the chain of command. (Modern Management Defined (c) L. Ron Hubbard, 1976) of discovery and its application, and most importantly, be trained in it to earnestly apply it correctly. One does not know what one, does not know. :)
This is not to explain away the lower bridge with NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III., it is however the point that NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III. techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) demonstrates what happens when there is nothing to runUndergo processing. (Science of Survival, p.75) and how it can be a tremendous draw down and invalidation to the Pre-OTOperating Thetan - 7. this state of being is attained by drills and familiarity after the state of Clear has been obtained. A real OT has no reactive bank, is cause over matter, energy, space, time and thought and is completely free. (HCOB 12 Jul 65)...More and demonstrably the concept is the same for those below clear, putting something there that was not charged in the first place. It may even be safe to say it might be even worse for those below Clear as they have yet to cognite on what it is they are being asked to do on unreading questions being runUndergo processing. (Science of Survival, p.75).
Just my viewpoint based from where and when I was trained, lol! Its all relative!
Jonathan Burke
www.ao-gp.orgShort for organization. (HCO PL 8 Sept 69)
One thing, as an aside, that I would like to mention, the HAS coaudit. I helped supervise about 200 co-audits in 1958-1959. While true we did not check the HAS coaudit commands for reads, the student auditors each had an emeter and kept the needle on the dial so we could watchEvery member of a ship's company has two general types of activities, one of these is as a member of watches, wherein he handles his duties of steering, lookout, engines, etc., including emergency drills. (FO 1109) the TATone Arm - 1. meter control lever...MORE action. If no TATone Arm - 1. meter control lever...MORE we would get in there find out what was going on. If pc was just protesting the process, we would clean that up and flatten or get a new process. Or if we saw the ta wasn't moving, we would step in and handle.
