Talk:Meter Reads Drill Film
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| Critique from Dan Koon | 1 | 19:32, April 16, 2013 |
| Critique from Gayle Evans via Facebook PM | 0 | 01:50, April 16, 2013 |
| Ignazio Tidu | 1 | 14:55, April 14, 2013 |
| E Meter Drills Film | 1 | 13:44, April 14, 2013 |
| Critique From Ian Waxler | 1 | 13:43, April 14, 2013 |
| From Glenn to Johnathon re: Meter instructional video | 0 | 00:27, April 13, 2013 |
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Jonathan,
Sorry I am replying in an e-mail but I could not for the life of me figure out how to simply add my critique. That site is difficult to navigate for the uninitiated such as myself.
To my knowledge you included all the reads in the CoS film except the LF, which I noted you were going to correct.
I have several comments on reads that I did not notice the first time I watched the film or else some of these reads were changed this time around:
a) the persistent F/N, instant F/N and FTA look awfully jerky. They appear to have body motion in them. I did not notice this earlier but it was distracting this time around.
b) the body motion looks too erratic. I did not notice this first time around, unless you changed the read.
c) the Stage 4 does not match the description in EME or rises, sticks, falls, always the same distance. I personally have never seen one and maybe knew one person who saw one once, so it is not important, I don't think, for practical purposes. Maybe Trey has seen one. Anyhow, if there is a way to mechanically create this, I think you could get a more accurate demonstration.
That is it. Your presentation, graphics, sfx and all look awfully damn good. As good as the church film. So, congratulations. I like the additional metab reads and F/Ns. They are useful.
Really well done!
Dan
I like no LOVE the create, period. Now here is my critique yes?
1. FN Number 1 is a springy FN that eventually stops being springy
2. Instant FN looks stiff - not sweeping, lacks rhthym
3. JUST A NOTE: I know you said something about that being added in the next round or so but need to be consistent in my critiquing eh?! The following reads can't be properly critiqued without volume for me.
Persistent FN
Instant FN
Null needle
Stuck needle
Stop
4. Change of Characteristic doesn't show it
5. Dirty Needle - suggestion, like you show with the FNs if you could show several DNs I think it would help ragged, jerky, ticking not sweeping and tends to be persistent...these little fellas need to be fully understood. I've cracked cases by following up on these during assessments to find bpc...often times a newer pc won't originate WHAT they want to say and so withhold it - first sign of that is that ticky needle. An auditor1. one who listens and computes; a Scn practitioner. 2. one who has been trained in the technology of Scn. An auditor applies standard technology to preclears. 3. a person who through church training becomes skilled in the successful application of Dn and Scn to his family, friends and the public to achieve the ability gained as stated on the Gradation Chart for his class of training...more
is to never go past this in an assessment and so I think that showing a few more of these little fellas could really be useful to training auditors.
6. The stage four: in the film it's bouncing on each end of the read when it doesn't in reality have any of that bounce in it at all.
I'm going to preface this next with it's just opinion based on my reaction and has nothing at all to do with technical:
didn't love the music and still don't like that sound used to fade out/in with the dials. This one sounds electrifying - zzzzzzzzt kind of sound.
The whole subject of auditingThe application of Scientology processes and procedures to someone by a trained auditor. (Dianetics & Scientology Technical Dictionary (C) 1975), making auditors, it's all about the spirit of man. That's a very uptone, sparkly, glittery, chimes and bells and upbeat uplifting matter. So it would be more paralleling the beauty of it with this reflected in it's lightness and beautiness that it creates and which it inspires.
You might consider NO music when the reads are being shown like EM 9 and EM9A.
There you be Mr. Burke. Take that and do what you will my friend.
Best to you and your co-creator thank you thank you thank you!
Gayle
Thanks a lot for the new video. This is so much better than previous one. I can’t validate the stage 4 read as the one I know from techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) films is way different than the one shown here. The F/Ns are fine, the theta bop is too slow, the D/N is not very ragged as it normally looks.
ML Ignazio.
Jonathan,
I'm attaching my comments below Ignazio's as he sums it up pretty well in my opinion. This is greatly improved from the first one and I see much change from my original comments made. I have no problema problem is postulate-counter-postulate, terminal-counter-terminal, force-counter-force. It’s one thing versus another thing. You’ve got two forces or two ideas which are interlocked of comparable magnitude and the thing stops right there. All right, now with these two things one stuck against the other you get a sort of a timelessness, it floats in time. (SH Spec 82, 6111C21) 2 . a problem is a postulate-counter-postulate resulting in indecision. That is the first manifestation of problems, and the first consequence of a problem is indecision. (SH Spec 27, 6107C11) 3 . a multiple confusion. (SH Spec 26X, 6107C03) 4 . an intention counter-intention that worries the preclear. (HCOB 23 Feb 61) 5 . a problem is the conflict arising from two opposing intentions. A present time problem is one that exists in present time, in a real universe. (HCOB 3 Jul 59) 6 . something which is persisting, the as-is-ness of which cannot be attained easily. (PRO 16, 5408CM20) with the FNs as they aren't always "picture perfect" in session; I agree with Pat and Ignazio on the theta bop (can you speed up the frame rate and loop it perhaps?); the tick should be more of a quick "jerk" or "tick" as Glenn and Trey point out; and as Ignazio states, the D/N needs to be more "erratic, ragged, jerky". Finally, if you could tone down that last sound that heralds the change in dial faces, I think, as Trey says, it would be less jarring. Just a volume thing. Other than that, you've created something that truly shows your "labour of love". Well done.
ARC1. a word from the initial letters of Affinity, Reality, Communication which together equate to Understanding. It is pronounced by stating its letters, A-R- C. To Scientologists it has come to mean good feeling, love or friendliness, such as “He was in ARC with his friend.” One does not, however, fall out of ARC, he has an ARC break. (LRH Def. Notes)...more,
Chris
Hi, Johan. Much improved. As I mentioned before I don't think you can get a theta bop that looks like a theta bop without catching one live. You have the evenness of the needle swing but the rapid dance at each end is missing. The stage 4 doesn't pass, it's too jiggly at the top, it should be just rise, stick, fall, rise, stick, fall in a steady rhythum. It is a very smooth action.
I can't tell about the null needle without sound of course; what I saw didn't look null. Easier to demonstrate with a clean needle that doesn't change when you speak.
One of the f/ns, a persistent f/n had sticks in it. Your dirty needle doesn't show a pattern, and the tick doesn't tick, it just sticks.
One more thing, I don't understand whyThat basic outness found which will lead to a recovery of stats. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II) the "spring" f/n. That is an additive, there isn't such a thing as a "spring" f/n, so I wish you would take that out. You are just showing a needle pattern.
Your rises, both the slow and speeded looked great! Your clean needle was fine. R/S, change of needle pattern quite recognizable.
It is very important that if this is used as a training tape in any way that it be exact on all fronts...otherwise the student auditor1. one who listens and computes; a Scn practitioner. 2. one who has been trained in the technology of Scn. An auditor applies standard technology to preclears. 3. a person who through church training becomes skilled in the successful application of Dn and Scn to his family, friends and the public to achieve the ability gained as stated on the Gradation Chart for his class of training...more could get a mis-conception. Better to leave out some of the ones like theta bop if it can't be produced, rocket read too might be misleading. Both those items are outstanding enough when they occur that it will catch a new auditor1. one who listens and computes; a Scn practitioner. 2. one who has been trained in the technology of Scn. An auditor applies standard technology to preclears. 3. a person who through church training becomes skilled in the successful application of Dn and Scn to his family, friends and the public to achieve the ability gained as stated on the Gradation Chart for his class of training...more's attention and he will recognize it from the description in the Emeter books when it shows up in session.
Pat
Hi, Johan. I sent my input to Scientolipedia.orgShort for organization. (HCO PL 8 Sept 69)
Turns out there is a mention of a spring needle. I stand corrected, but it isn't listed as a needle read. I let Mark Elliott who had six months of meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more drilling and Joe both look at #2. They said pretty much what I did except I was corrected on no such thing as spring.
I have never seen a film, films came after my training. Apparently in the COS they have two, one to show meter2. Hubbard Electrometer. An electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals, as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The E-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment or prevention of any disease. (Scn AD)...more reads and one to use as a qualification --no labels. They used real reads though from pcs.
Pat
Overall.. it's a wonderfully, professional quality production.. Obviously, you are very skilled at what you did here..
Of course you have solicited "critiques"... so no reason not to respond if I have no suggestions for any aspects that might be IMPROVED?
Some of the reads appear to be "produced" reads.. ie artificially imitated by someone..... especially some of the F/Ns??
I wonder whyThat basic outness found which will lead to a recovery of stats. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II) you failed to inclue LF in between SF and LFBD? ....or was this an oversigt for this version perhaps...
Now I am not suggesting that everyone is going to be on board with every read you get here... only that if you keep getting on video more and more metering.. you will be able to isolate BETTER examples of any that are not exactly "perfect"?
ALl in all.. the great thing about your production is you have the ability to 'refine' it as improvements can be made.. Let me know if anything I might be able to do to help you in any ways... ok?
thanks.. and best of luck on it... Ian Waxler, Class VIIIThe Class VIII Course teaches exact handling of all cases up to 100 per cent result, as well as Class VIII procedures, all case setup actions, all processes and corrective actions, as well as flubless Class VIII auditing. (Dianetics and Scientology Technical Dictionary (C) 1975)
Ian, Thanks for your kind words, coming from you it means a lot! I had put in the LF but it's not there, so I will fix that (again). It was an oversight on my part, not a willfull omission.
The F/N's actually are from my Solo NOTSNew Era Dianetics for OT's. Done in two main sections after OT III. Audited NOTS (OT V) and Solo NOTS (OT VI & VII with OT VI being the course that trains the pre-OT how to solo audit NOTS) Note: OT IV is the OT Drug Rundown done after OT III. sessions and aren't manufactured but do seem to get the most criticism, lol. Maybe it's the rendering of the video that makes them wonky? I will continue to make them or new ones look more representative of what you guys expect. It's not been an easy task. I didn't expect it to be though. It takes a ton of confront to do this I've come to realize, more than even I thought.
I will be sending out continual revisions until I can get a balance of approval, so thanks for your patience.
Ml,
Jonathan Burke
Advanced Organization of the Great Plains
Overall excellent work on something difficult to do.
Critique:
Production quality very good.
Music too somber after a while and needs some variance.
Can you be sued by ScnAbbreviation for Scientology. (Modern Management Technology Defined (C) 1976). for their terms on a broadcast?
Are you doing the reads by hand or from real reads?
It looks like by hand as there are jiggles at the end of the falls which are misleading.
The slow rise had jerks in it, needs to be redone.
The rocket read is too slow.
The first two FNs are too mechanical and not "floaty" enough.
The 3rd FN is OK.
The 4th FN is not recognizable to me as an "FN."
The "springs" FN is not recognizable to me. If you mean "pop to FN" then you don't have it yet.
The Instant FN is not smooth enough.
The tick is too smooth, a tick is a "jerk" of the needle.
Again, good job. Glenn
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