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I suggest this latest change is inaccurate, as the material in Clear Bird represents a very good and non-copyright description of the materials of Scientology. I suggest it be removed. At least get an impartial techAbbreviation for technology. The methods of application of an art or science as opposed to mere knowledge of the science or art itself. (HCOB 13 Sep 65) person to look it over before leaving it there.

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Antony A Phillips (talk)‎08:32, May 27, 2017

My attention has been drawn to the fact that the Clearbird.org page states on the front "New in 2012: The GPMGoals-Problem-Mass. 4. the problem created by two or more opposing ideas which being opposed, balanced, and unresolved, make a mass. It’s a mental energy mass. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06...More processing that Ron never finished..." which would be an offshoot. I believe that's the only "offshoot". Probably we need a definition of offshoot.

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Antony A Phillips (talk)‎06:14, June 2, 2017

 

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I agree - this designation of "Offshoot" for the Clearbird materials is not warranted. I've used some of the pages with PC's to give them a simpler way of understanding some concepts. I think Clearbird is an admirable effort to make the basics of Scientology more accessible to people who don't have access to a proper course room and course supervision. (a major problem outside the church) I'm going to remove the "Offshoot" designation but am open to continuing this discussion to see if there's some other aspect to all of this I may be missing.

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Fine. I note that the following paragraph was also removed and am checking to see if it is still accurate and will replace it if I find it to be so. "Clearbird is recognized by the Association of Professional Independent Scientologists (APIS) [1] for giving a technically correct rendition of Standard Technology."

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Antony A Phillips (talk)‎17:03, June 3, 2017

Have just checked with Rolf. The statement is accurate.

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Antony A Phillips (talk)‎13:45, June 13, 2017

I pointed out to Ant but couldn't postA position from which a terminal operates in an org, where one knows that somebody is at. (FO 2200) here for some reason ... Clearbird materials feature "The GPMGoals-Problem-Mass. 4. the problem created by two or more opposing ideas which being opposed, balanced, and unresolved, make a mass. It’s a mental energy mass. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06...More processing that Ron never finished..." How can that not be an Offshoot? Also, don't ask Rolf. Go to the APIS site and look for yourself. If ever there was a recognition, that has been removed.

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Bikoswartz (talk)‎00:24, June 18, 2017

Mike from APIS confirmed the findings from the APIS website. APIS does not endorse the Clearbird materials. Now if we could please kindly discuss whyThat basic outness found which will lead to a recovery of stats. (HCO PL 13 Oct 70 II) promoting to deliver "the GPMGoals-Problem-Mass. 4. the problem created by two or more opposing ideas which being opposed, balanced, and unresolved, make a mass. It’s a mental energy mass. (SH Spec 83, 6612C06...More processing that Ron never finished" does not qualify as an offshoot. I claim it does qualify for the label of offshoot.

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Bikoswartz (talk)‎04:14, June 18, 2017