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 After I have received a few letters on the above a couple more thoughts appeared (or re-appeared!) in my universe.
-In ''Science of Survival'' Ron Hubbard describes three "Methods used by subject to handle others".  It seems (from Ken's description) that Nina probably used both nullification and domination, both of which lie on the "negative" side of the 0 to 4.00 Scientology Tone Scale. Teaching by Agreement properly done, uses only the third method to handle others, namely enhancement. The first two methods violate the Scientology idea of granting of beingness.
+In ''Science of Survival'' Ron Hubbard describes three "Methods used by subject to handle others".  It seems (from Ken's description) that Nina probably used both nullification and domination, both of which lie at the "negative" end of the 0 to 4.00 Scientology Tone Scale. Teaching by Agreement properly done, uses only the third method to handle others, namely enhancement. The first two methods violate the Scientology idea of granting of beingness.
 Looking at Ken's description of the little occurrence with Nina I can also see a sort of "misuse" of another Scientology principle; the ideas of the cycle of action  and cycle of control.  You see this sort of thing in many areas.  As examples in some extreme political ideologies, where often what they propose seems to boil down to stopping. In some Scientology material stop is related to destroy.  It appears that things are always changing, and the idea of opposing all change (stopping change) tends to lead downwards. The possibly better way in general is to observe what changes are afoot and influence (change) those tendencies in a way you want things to go (hopefully something more survival). In the example with Nina, this could be done by asking another if they agreed and getting their and others' viewpoints. This way you are also enhancing the others who contribute, giving them the feeling they have something valuable to contribute, etc. Also your enhancing attitude is infectious, encouraging the timid also to contribute perhaps only with a nod of agreement or a smile, a step up in the gradient from where they were.

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		+	Socratic Method see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method]].

	== Comment from Ken Urquhart and Antony's further comments ==		== Comment from Ken Urquhart and Antony's further comments ==

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	I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this. If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk		I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this. If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk

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−	~~Socratic Method see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method]].~~

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	I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this. If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk		I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this. If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk
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		+	Socratic Method see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socratic_method]].

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 :“I taught the Personal Efficiency course about 25 times. Each time working hard (on the teaching by agreement principles) to get a new set of individuals to have an understanding of some Scientology basics. Despite my general low communication level, there was nothing robotic about this teaching. Each week there were a new set of individuals in a new unit of time. I really got a very good grip on those basics, something I have been very thankful for ever since. When the church “went mad” and chucked far more able [people than] me out in 1983, I knew that those basics were right, and, when I slowly realized I was not a suppressive person, dangerous to any Scientologist I talked to, I could no doubt more easily see
-:where the church had gone wrong. In fact those 25 or so weeks (at age 27) gave me probably the first worthwhile stable data I got on what life was about and how to handle it.”
+where the church had gone wrong. In fact those 25 or so weeks (at age 27) gave me probably the first worthwhile stable data I got on what life was about and how to handle it.”
 '''Extract from''' : ''How to Create and Instruct a PE Course'' (part 2)  - A lecture given on 18 October 1956 by L. Ron Hubbard.

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	I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this. If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk		I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this. If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk
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-== Comment from Ken Urquhart and further comment ==
+== Comment from Ken Urquhart and Antony's further comments ==
 I asked a fellow old timer, [[Ken Urquhart]], to look at this and comment, and he sent this reply:
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 The way Nina handled her disagreement of what Ken said at one point, is probably an example of what caused Teaching by Agreement to be canceled.  You do not, covertly or overtly, invalidate a participant - that is not granting beingness!   The "proper way", in my opinion (if you want to do more than impartially acknowledge and go on), would be to ask another person in the group (who you had an idea would not agree) if s/he agreed, and get a discussion going, and thus get more people contributing, and thus increasing ARC.  Covertly invalidating does not remind me in any way of the true spirit of Scientology (as I understand it) but a gradient to Hitlerism or the present day official Scientology body.
-But I do not think "drawing up a checksheet with demos and drills" would be gilding the lily,  but would be throwing black paint on the lily.  The essence of Teaching by Agreement, in my opinion, was spontaneity and a relaxed attitude, and I think this comes about only by a thorough understanding of Scientology, and practice (experience) teaching (for example) these basic materials many times.  In fact I see no other way (drills leading to dictatorship, almost) than starting of ones practical experience of Teaching by Agreement with a lecture (with an audience under ten or 15) and occasionally putting a question ("Does that seem reasonable to you?" or something) to an individual - something like that. In other words working your way on a gradient to "full" Teaching by Agreement.
+But I do not think "drawing up a checksheet with demos and drills" would be gilding the lily,  but would be throwing black paint on the lily.  The essence of Teaching by Agreement, in my opinion, was spontaneity and a relaxed attitude, and I think this comes about only by a thorough understanding of Scientology, and practice (experience) teaching (for example) these basic materials many times.  In fact I see no other way (drills leading to dictatorship, almost) than starting of ones practical experience of Teaching by Agreement with a lecture (with an audience of less than ten or 15) and occasionally putting a question ("Does that seem reasonable to you?" or something) to an individual - something like that. In other words working your way on a gradient to "full" Teaching by Agreement.
-Note that at the top of this page you can click on where it says Discussion - and put your comments in - I think this is an important subject.  [[Antony Phillips|Ant]]
+===  Further Comments ===
 ==Postscript==
 I think a bit more investigative journalism is required on this.  If you can find more references or accounts I would be very pleased to hear about it. Also more recent experiences in using it or lower gradients towards Teaching by Agreement week after week. It is certainly something you improve by doing it again and again. Contact me: ant.phillips@post8.tele.dk