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Howard Dickman: /* Early Years */

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‎Early Years

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Howard Dickman: /* Mary Sue Whipp's interaction with Dianetics in Wichita, Kansas */

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‎Mary Sue Whipp's interaction with Dianetics in Wichita, Kansas

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Howard Dickman: /* How Mary Sue quite possibly had gotten to Wichita */

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‎How Mary Sue quite possibly had gotten to Wichita

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 = Early Years =
-Mary Sue Whipp was born June 17, 1931 to Harry Hughes Whipp (b. 9/2/1893 - d. 10/30/1942, age - 49)<ref name="Harry1">https://www.geni.com/people/Harry-Whipp/6000000028334780920</ref> and Mary Catherine (Hill) Whipp (b. 10/8/1898 – d. 12/29/1983, age 85)<ref name="MaryC1">https://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Whipp/6000000028334496353</ref> in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameron,_Texas Cameron], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milam_County,_Texas Milam County], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas Texas], United States.  Mary Sue had an older sister - Nancy Catherine Whipp Matthews (b. 7/28/1929 – d. 1/24/2008, age 78)<ref name="NancyC">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=66847056</ref> and a younger brother - Harry H. Whipp, M.D (b. 9/20/1934 – d. 5/1/2011, age 76)<ref name="Harry2">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=71525493</ref>.
+Mary Sue Whipp was born June 17, 1931 to Harry Hughes Whipp (b. 9/2/1893 - d. 10/30/1942, age - 49)<ref name="Harry1">https://www.geni.com/people/Harry-Whipp/6000000028334780920</ref> and Mary Catherine (Hill) Whipp (b. 10/8/1898 – d. 12/29/1983, age 85)<ref name="MaryC1">https://www.geni.com/people/Mary-Whipp/6000000028334496353</ref> in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockdale,_Texas Rockdale], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milam_County,_Texas Milam County], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas Texas], United States.  Mary Sue had an older sister - Nancy Catherine Whipp Matthews (b. 7/28/1929 – d. 1/24/2008, age 78)<ref name="NancyC">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=66847056</ref> and a younger brother - Harry H. Whipp, M.D (b. 9/20/1934 – d. 5/1/2011, age 76)<ref name="Harry2">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=71525493</ref>.
 [[File:MSHClass51ja.jpg|left|thumb|MSH's senior college picture]]
 By time Mary Sue's brother was born the family was living in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harris_County,_Texas Harris County, Texas]<ref name="Rock1">http://rockdale-myhometown.blogspot.com/2011/06/1931-birth-of-future-mrs-l-ron-hubbard.html</ref>.  In August of 1944, the family traveled to [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louisville,_Kentucky Louisville], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kentucky Kentucky], where Mary Sue was one of the flower girls for her aunt's, Miss Marguerite Whipp, wedding<ref name="Wed1">https://www.newspapers.com/clip/3442516/marguerite_whipp_and_sm_waugh/</ref>.  When Mary Sue was eleven, her father (a manager at a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sears Sears and Roebuck] store in Houston) passed away at their home <ref name="Harry1a">http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=61805477</ref>.

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	8. She had come to Wichita with two young men from Austin, Texas. The three Texans all knew each other when they came to take the course. They had come to know each other by being mystically inclined. They were all three members of a student group. The Theosophy Club. Reincarnation, astral levels, etheric bodies, teleportation, telekinesis were of interest to a small group there including Susie and her two theosophy club friends from Texas… (Dillard Eubank, International Viewpoint, Issue #74, November 2005, page 39)		8. She had come to Wichita with two young men from Austin, Texas. The three Texans all knew each other when they came to take the course. They had come to know each other by being mystically inclined. They were all three members of a student group. The Theosophy Club. Reincarnation, astral levels, etheric bodies, teleportation, telekinesis were of interest to a small group there including Susie and her two theosophy club friends from Texas… (Dillard Eubank, International Viewpoint, Issue #74, November 2005, page 39)
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	== Mary Sue Whipp's actions after the Dianetic Conference ==		== Mary Sue Whipp's actions after the Dianetic Conference ==

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 = Mary Sue Whipp's interaction with Dianetics in Wichita, Kansas =
 This chapter of her life is conjecture as I have found no first person report as to how and when Mary Sue Whipp arrived at the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Wichita, Kansas.  But what I will try to do is present a premise as to what I think might have happened.
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 Mary Sue Whipp traveled to Wichita, Kansas, with Norman W. James and one other, in order to attend the First Annual Conference of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors, held June 25 through June 30, 1951.
-== Mary Sue's travel to Wichita in 1951 ==
+'''My clues -'''
 Based on first-hand account by O’Brien and corroboration by Miller we know Norman James was at the Foundation in 1951.  Eubank’s first person account lets us know Mary Sue came with two other people.  Based on the aforementioned accounts, Mary Sue and Norman James, who by August, 1950, had worked over 184 hours of Dianetics, knew each other.  Due to the fact that the Church of Scientology has kept the August, 1950, letter from James to Hubbard, we can pretty well surmise that the Foundation had James on their mailing list, in which case James would have been notified of the June, 1951, Dianetic conference.  Graduation from the University of Texas at Austin occurs towards the latter part of May and from Kaye’s first person account we know that Mary Sue was not there before June 1, 1951, even though the Church states that Mary Sue came to The Foundation in early 1951.

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 = Mary Sue Whipp's interaction with Dianetics in Wichita, Kansas =
-This chapter of her life is conjecture as I have found no first person reports as to how and when Mary Sue Whipp arrived at the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Wichita, Kansas.  But what I will try to do is present a premise as to what I think might have happened.
+This chapter of her life is conjecture as I have found no first person report as to how and when Mary Sue Whipp arrived at the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Wichita, Kansas.  But what I will try to do is present a premise as to what I think might have happened.
-'''My premise'''
+'''My premise -'''
 Mary Sue Whipp traveled to Wichita, Kansas, with Norman W. James and one other, in order to attend the First Annual Conference of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors, held June 25 through June 30, 1951.
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 == Ron and Mary Sue get married ==
 From March 3, 1952 to April 1952 L. Ron Hubbard delivered thirty-five lectures to professional course students and the Hubbard College<ref name="TBv1">The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology, Volume 1, 1976, page 218 - 219</ref>.  In spite of Ron’s full schedule, he and Mary Sue made time to get married.  On Thursday, March 6, 1952, they drove south to a city eight miles south of the Kansas border - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newkirk,_Oklahoma Newkirk], the county seat of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_County,_Oklahoma Kay County], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma Oklahoma] where they were able to get married the same day<ref name="M51m">http://www.pgsok.org/records/marriage/docs/KCoM2-W.pdf</ref>.
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 This chapter of her life is conjecture as I have found no first person reports as to how and when Mary Sue Whipp arrived at the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Wichita, Kansas.  But what I will try to do is present a premise as to what I think might have happened.
-'''My premise is that Mary Sue Whipp traveled to Wichita, Kansas, in order to attend the First Annual Conference of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors, held June 25 through June 30, 1951.'''
+'''My premise'''
 == Mary Sue's travel to Wichita in 1951 ==
-Based on first-hand account by O’Brien and corroboration by Miller we know Norman James was at the Foundation in 1951.  Eubank’s first person account lets us know Mary Sue came with two other people.  Based on three aforementioned accounts, Mary Sue and Norman James, who by August, 1950, had worked over 184 hours of Dianetics, knew each other.  Graduation from the University of Texas at Austin occurs towards the latter part of May and from Kaye’s first person account we know that Mary Sue was not there before June 1, 1951, even though the Church states that Mary Sue came to The Foundation in early 1951.
+Based on first-hand account by O’Brien and corroboration by Miller we know Norman James was at the Foundation in 1951.  Eubank’s first person account lets us know Mary Sue came with two other people.  Based on the aforementioned accounts, Mary Sue and Norman James, who by August, 1950, had worked over 184 hours of Dianetics, knew each other.  Due to the fact that the Church of Scientology has kept the August, 1950, letter from James to Hubbard, we can pretty well surmise that the Foundation had James on their mailing list, in which case James would have been notified of the June, 1951, Dianetic conference.  Graduation from the University of Texas at Austin occurs towards the latter part of May and from Kaye’s first person account we know that Mary Sue was not there before June 1, 1951, even though the Church states that Mary Sue came to The Foundation in early 1951.
 There was a Dianetic Conference held the last part of June, 1951, during which, “One hundred and twelve HDAs, representing every section of the United States and Canada, met for the dual purpose of attending a special course of instruction on new techniques and to form an International Association of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors”, as stated by the Church of Scientology.  Given the Church’s propensity to sometimes use hyperbole and the fact that Chapdelaine brought his PC and two members of the Mobile and Fairhope, Alabama Dianetic club with him to Wichita, an assumption could be made that not all one hundred twelve attendees had HDA’s.
-So what would entice three Texans to all come together all the way from Texas to Wichita, Kansas in 1951?  Since Chapdelaine brought three people all the way from Alabama to Wichita for the conference a good assumption could be drawn that Mary Sue, Norman James and one other Texan made the same trek.
+So what would entice three Texans to all come together all the way from Texas to Wichita, Kansas in 1951?  Since Chapdelaine brought three people all the way from Alabama to Wichita for the conference, a good assumption could be drawn that Mary Sue, Norman James and one other Texan made the same trek.
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-Until better information becomes available I believe that Mary Sue Whipp, along with two friends, trekked to Wichita to attend the First Annual Conference of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors, which was held June 25 through June 30, 1951.
 The clues cited in the aforementioned discussion have been gleaned from the following sources:

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 Mary Sue Hubbard was L Ron Hubbard's confidant and third wife, mother of four of his children and a fierce defender of her husband and the movement he created.
 = Early Years =

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+= Mary Sue Whipp's interaction with Dianetics in Wichita, Kansas =
-This chapter of her life is conjecture as I have found no first person reports as to how and when Mary Sue Whipp arrived at the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Wichita, Kansas.  But what I will try to do is present a premise as to what I think might have happened based on clues from the following sources:
+This chapter of her life is conjecture as I have found no first person reports as to how and when Mary Sue Whipp arrived at the Hubbard Dianetic Research Foundation in Wichita, Kansas.  But what I will try to do is present a premise as to what I think might have happened.
 .  June 1 (1951): ''"I went to Wichita. I accepted an engagement ring from him but when I got back realized my mistake.  I didn't know Mary Sue, don't know if she was around at time."'' (Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah, October 1987, second interview with Barbara Kaye, August 21, 1986)
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 .  She had come to Wichita with two young men from Austin, Texas.  The three Texans all knew each other when they came to take the course.  They had come to know each other by being mystically inclined.  They were all three members of a student group.  The Theosophy Club.  Reincarnation, astral levels, etheric bodies, teleportation, telekinesis were of interest to a small group there including Susie and her two theosophy club friends from Texas… (Dillard Eubank, International Viewpoint, Issue #74, November 2005, page 39)
-My premise is that Mary Sue Whipp traveled to Wichita, Kansas, in order to attend the First Annual Conference of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors, held June 25 through June 30, 1951.
+== Mary Sue Whipp's actions after the Dianetic Conference ==
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-Based on first-hand account by O’Brien and corroboration by Miller we know Norman James was at the Foundation in 1951.  Eubank’s first person account lets us know Mary Sue came with two other people.  Based on three aforementioned accounts, Mary Sue and Norman James, who by August, 1950, had worked over 184 hours of Dianetics, knew each other.  Graduation from the University of Texas at Austin occurs towards the latter part of May and from Kaye’s first person account we know that Mary Sue was not there before June 1, 1951, even though the Church states that Mary Sue came to The Foundation in early 1951.
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-There was a Dianetic Conference held the last part of June, 1951, during which, “One hundred and twelve HDAs, representing every section of the United States and Canada, met for the dual purpose of attending a special course of instruction on new techniques and to form an International Association of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors”, as stated by the Church of Scientology.  Given the Church’s propensity to sometimes use hyperbole and the fact that Chapdelaine brought his PC and two members of the Mobile and Fairhope, Alabama Dianetic club with him to Wichita, an assumption could be made that not all one hundred twelve attendees had HDA’s.
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-So what would entice three Texans to all come together all the way from Texas to Wichita, Kansas in 1951?  Since Chapdelaine brought three people all the way from Alabama to Wichita for the conference a good assumption could be drawn that Mary Sue, Norman James and one other Texan made the same trek.
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-Until better information becomes available I believe that Mary Sue Whipp, along with two friends, trekked to Wichita to attend the First Annual Conference of Hubbard Dianetic Auditors, which was held June 25 through June 30, 1951.
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-== Mary Sue Whipp's interaction with Dianetics in Wichita, Kansas ==
 Mary Sue studied Dianetics, received her Hubbard Dianetic Auditor's Certificate and then became a Foundation staff auditor.
-= Ron and Mary Sue get married =
+== Ron and Mary Sue get married ==
 From March 3, 1952 to April 1952 L. Ron Hubbard delivered thirty-five lectures to professional course students and the Hubbard College<ref name="TBv1">The Technical Bulletins of Dianetics and Scientology, Volume 1, 1976, page 218 - 219</ref>.  In spite of Ron’s full schedule, he and Mary Sue made time to get married.  On Thursday, March 6, 1952, they drove south to a city eight miles south of the Kansas border - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newkirk,_Oklahoma Newkirk], the county seat of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kay_County,_Oklahoma Kay County], [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma Oklahoma] where they were able to get married the same day<ref name="M51m">http://www.pgsok.org/records/marriage/docs/KCoM2-W.pdf</ref>.
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	== How Mary Sue quite possibly had gotten to Wichita ==		== How Mary Sue quite possibly had gotten to Wichita ==
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	Based on first-hand account by O’Brien and corroboration by Miller we know Norman James was at the Foundation in 1951. Eubank’s first person account lets us know Mary Sue came with two other people. Based on three aforementioned accounts, Mary Sue and Norman James, who by August, 1950, had worked over 184 hours of Dianetics, knew each other. Graduation from the University of Texas at Austin occurs towards the latter part of May and from Kaye’s first person account we know that Mary Sue was not there before June 1, 1951, even though the Church states that Mary Sue came to The Foundation in early 1951.		Based on first-hand account by O’Brien and corroboration by Miller we know Norman James was at the Foundation in 1951. Eubank’s first person account lets us know Mary Sue came with two other people. Based on three aforementioned accounts, Mary Sue and Norman James, who by August, 1950, had worked over 184 hours of Dianetics, knew each other. Graduation from the University of Texas at Austin occurs towards the latter part of May and from Kaye’s first person account we know that Mary Sue was not there before June 1, 1951, even though the Church states that Mary Sue came to The Foundation in early 1951.