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-LRH Storie, a 3½ hour DVD, see [http://scientolipedia.org/sourcestore/index.php?route=product/product&path=74&product_id=286 LRH Stories on DVD], is a very exciting thing to get hold of, but why have we waited so long for it?
+LRH Storie, a 3½ hour DVD, see  (broken link - to LRH Stories on DVD - try Ebay), is a very exciting thing to get hold of, but why have we waited so long for it?
 The items were recorded between 1997 and 2000, but not released until near the end of 2014.  Why wait so long?

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-<big>'''†'''</big> Postscript.  I have realised that Ken Urquhart did give a talk about LRH which included not positive remarks.  There is a link to it at the bottom of http://www.antology.info/mp3_video.php . You need to switch off that silly man talking there, and I have just discovered that the link to the actual lecture does not work (I'll try and handle) but the transcript is there and I think it gives interesting data on LRH.  I am glad to see we have one person who dared to blog.  Following current advertising practice (somewhat) I will offer a prize if ten people blog.  If nine more people blog, I will describe the one hour (approx.) I spent alone with LRH, which had after effects not particularly positive.
+<big>'''†'''</big> Postscript.  I have realised that Ken Urquhart did give a talk about LRH which included not positive remarks.  There is a link to it at the bottom of http://www.antology.info/mp3_video.php . You need to switch off that silly man talking there.
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-LRH Storie, a 3½ hour DVD, see http://lrhstories.org/scnpedia/, is a very exciting thing to get hold of, but why have we waited so long for it?
+LRH Storie, a 3½ hour DVD, see [http://scientolipedia.org/sourcestore/index.php?route=product/product&path=74&product_id=286 LRH Stories on DVD], is a very exciting thing to get hold of, but why have we waited so long for it?
 The items were recorded between 1997 and 2000, but not released until near the end of 2014.  Why wait so long?

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 :And one gets the feeling that the audience has been instructed to act enthusiastically. So even though the stories are certainly true, the whole thing sounds a bit phoney ... like a promotion piece in disguise.
-I had also thought of that, but I think that what you see here is what I (an elderly person) call the "Elvis Presley effect"  - the moment a "star" appears on the stage or is mentioned the members of the audience swoon, scream and generally behave rather over enthusiasticly.  It rather irritates me, and I get a bit impatient waiting while the unnecessary cheering dies down and we get on to something important. But it is certainly ''not'' necessary to instruct the audience! I doubt whether the audience was instructed to act enthusiastically.  Their behaviour, unfortunately, is normal when a great person appears or is named.  There were negative things about Ron in his daily life, but you are hardly likely to hear of them in front of such an audience. In fact you would be unlikely to hear of them in a private but recorded interview, unless the circumstances and interviewer are something special.  You could get it in a privately written set of reminiscences of Ron, and indeed I can point you to such a written record of Ron in the early 60's at Saint Hill.  Go to  http://articles.ivymag.org/pdf/ivy02.pdf and scroll down to page 13, the article by Ken Urquhart, which shows blemishes in Ron, as you find in most (all?) humans. Ken, when he gave a talk directly to a conference, read verbatim from his notes. Can you imagine how his reading of that little article to a conference of "Elvis Presley effect" Scientologists would have? I guess it would fall a bit flat :-)
+I had also thought of that, but I think that what you see here is what I (an elderly person) call the "Elvis Presley effect"  - the moment a "star" appears on the stage or is mentioned the members of the audience swoon, scream and generally behave rather over enthusiasticly.  It rather irritates me, and I get a bit impatient waiting while the unnecessary cheering dies down and we get on to something important. But it is certainly ''not'' necessary to instruct the audience! I doubt whether the audience was instructed to act enthusiastically.  Their behaviour, unfortunately, is normal when a great person appears or is named.  There were negative things about Ron in his daily life, but you are hardly likely to hear of them in front of such an audience. In fact you would be unlikely to hear of them in a private but recorded interview, unless the circumstances and interviewer are something special.  You could get it in a privately written set of reminiscences of Ron, and indeed I can point you to such a written record of Ron in the early 60's at Saint Hill.  Go to  http://articles.ivymag.org/pdf/ivy02.pdf and scroll down to page 13, the article by Ken Urquhart, which shows blemishes in Ron, as you find in most (all?) humans. Ken, when he gave a talk directly to a conference, read verbatim from his notes. Can you imagine how his reading of that little article to a conference of "Elvis Presley effect" Scientologists would have? I guess it would fall a bit flat :-) '''<big>†</big>'''
 But the important point is the material on the DVD (actually, for a limited period, there are two DVDs) is "hot stuff".  I've been "snooping around" for some years now (well,  60 yrs!) and this filled in some of the gaps, both early days (1950, and even before) in much later (marvelous bit by a Ron's messenger that worked for Ron from 78 to 82 – that was revealing compared to some data I have received).
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 I include here below some of the points I got out of it, and this being a blog, you are invited to contribute with your questions and comments:
 #Data on the typewriters he used from 1939.
-#Data on the goings on in 1950, including before the issue of DMSMH
+#Data on the goings on in 1950, including before the issue of ''DMSMH''
 #That Ron stopped smoking, made daily "to do" lists, studied early black and white films, did regular physical activity (various sorts).

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-LRH Stories is a DVD containing accounts by people who had direct experience with L. Ron Hubbard  -  see http://lrhstories.org/scnpedia/ – did the "church" approve it?
+LRH Storie, a 3½ hour DVD, see http://lrhstories.org/scnpedia/, is a very exciting thing to get hold of, but why have we waited so long for it?
-I got my copies a few days ago, and would recommend it with two provisos:
+The items were recorded between 1997 and 2000, but not released until near the end of 2014.  Why wait so long?
-Proviso 1: the sound quality is not the best, so you need to be willing to put up with that.
+The opening item, by Arte Maren explains that there was an association known as Old Timers Network (OTN) which was under the auspices of the Church of Scientology and was "in close communication with senior management and in fact ASHO sponsored the 2nd annual old timers reunion", and "we push power" to them.  My suspicion is that with their open goal of making data on LRH known and their method of doing it they ran foul of church management, and 2000 was the last official meeting.
-<big>'''STOP PRESS'''</big> - The above proviso applies only to the bonus DVD. The main one is excellent sound quality - both contain valuable data.
+Therefore you had a small bunch of people, appreciative of LRH, with data which they believed all should have, but in the "bad books" of the regime.
-Proviso 2: there is 3½ hours of it (twice that if you are lucky) and you need to be willing to go through some boring (and difficult to understand) parts.
+I have had recent knowledge of how enturbulated things can get, for in February of 2014, a very old contact of mine, Rhona Swinburn (who became Rhona Smit) contacted me.  She had been in Scientology since 1957 (when I was in contact with her) and had remained in until a few years ago, when one of her two daughters drew her attention to many outnesses in the organisation. Up to that time, because of her associations with L Ron Hubbard, she had been treated very well by the "Church" and brought forth at events as a show piece (which she disliked!). She was probably treated like celebrities and high paying clients are, so they don't believe the stories of the bad side of Scientology.
-That said, I got some interesting data out of it, and was surprised to see live people who were "names" in the 50's, even some going back to before ''Book One'' came out. There was also an interesting contribution from some one who was part of Ron's Messenger Org after she had become a Class VIII, who gave data on Ron's life after he had left the ship.
+It is a very sad story with Rhona, for although (about) 80 years old she seemed in good health.  However her other daughter was staunchly in the "Church" – and Rhona was dependent on both daughters.  The daughter in the Church took her on a plane trip from Johannesburg to Cape Town, which was going to be the last time that daughter spoke to Rhona, and Rhona died on the plane.  You can read on her, a biography the daughter out of the church has devised, just look at [[http://scientolipedia.org/info/Rhona_Smit]] .  I had great expectations of working with Rhona to get more of Scientology's history recorded.  My impression, having since been in comm with the daughter who had left the "Church" was of a very cynical organization, which was very difficult to leave.
-The various items are relatively old – the latest of them was made in 2000 (its 2014 when I write this, and I heard of the DVD less than a month ago, I ordered it on the 2nd Dec, and got it three days ago).  I have become very curious about its history, which is not all that evident.  In some of the items (most of which are given before an audience) there is a stand with the letters OTN on it, so it is possible an OT Committee was responsible for the meetings where most of these were given. One of the lectures (in the second DVD) mentions, in a way that makes it sound as though that was a good thing, that the person being introduced was commended by David Miscavige.  However  there is no sign of it having Issue Authority, being recognised by the "Church" or having come through "Church" channels.
+My guess is that the members of the Old Timer's Network, faced with lack of co-operation (and cynicism) from the Church, but still "bound" by the idea of "never withdraw allegiance once granted" and "never dessert a group to which you owe your support" (both quoted from the Scientology Code  of Honour), had great difficulty over many years in coming to an agreement about publishing this marvellous set of accounts of Ron Hubbard.
-I was fortunate in February this year to come in contact with [[Rhona Smit]] (né Swinburne) who I had heard of as Ron's secretary in 1957. She had been "in" the Church until a few years ago, given special treatment by the "church" and not been suspicious of the direction the "Church" was going. She did get special treatment, and was trumped up at events as one who had known Ron. In view of that, my suspicion is that all the people seen in these videos who all had an unusual relationship to Ron, got special treatment and were able to keep blinkers on (ignoring defects in the latter day "Church") and be paraded now and then as people who had known Ron.  So my suspicion is that these videos (they were made between 1997 and 2000) were made by people and an organisation that were in good standing with "Church" authorities, but who later ran in to "Church red tape" when it came to marketing them. Thus my guess is that as a small group they "came to their senses" (from our point of view), quietly left the Church, and organised the production and sale of these DVDs now, at the end of 2014.  And knowing what I know now, it would not be an easy job for the majority of key members of an OT group to come to an agreement about leaving the "Church" and get together this product, which, despite the two weaknesses I have mentioned, is an amazing product.
+No doubt at some time the facts will come to light on the history of these DVDs, and my theories are of little importance compared to the value of what has come to light her, but I raise them here because I just had an email from a friend about the LRH Stories, asking:
-I have put this as a blog on Scientolipedia in the hopes that some will come forth with data on how this DVD (actually two DVDs I got) came to be produced, and particularly marketed in a way which bears no mark of the "Churches" approval, and is highly standard as regards to modern day Internet sales techniques. Not exactly an easy task, I would say.
+My friend also added (in an email):
-Do you have data – relay it here!
+:And one gets the feeling that the audience has been instructed to act enthusiastically. So even though the stories are certainly true, the whole thing sounds a bit phoney ... like a promotion piece in disguise.
-[[User:AntPhillips|Antony A Phillips]] 08:40, December 26, 2014 (MST)
+I had also thought of that, but I think that what you see here is what I (an elderly person) call the "Elvis Presley effect"  - the moment a "star" appears on the stage or is mentioned the members of the audience swoon, scream and generally behave rather over enthusiasticly.  It rather irritates me, and I get a bit impatient waiting while the unnecessary cheering dies down and we get on to something important. But it is certainly ''not'' necessary to instruct the audience! I doubt whether the audience was instructed to act enthusiastically.  Their behaviour, unfortunately, is normal when a great person appears or is named.  There were negative things about Ron in his daily life, but you are hardly likely to hear of them in front of such an audience. In fact you would be unlikely to hear of them in a private but recorded interview, unless the circumstances and interviewer are something special.  You could get it in a privately written set of reminiscences of Ron, and indeed I can point you to such a written record of Ron in the early 60's at Saint Hill.  Go to  http://articles.ivymag.org/pdf/ivy02.pdf and scroll down to page 13, the article by Ken Urquhart, which shows blemishes in Ron, as you find in most (all?) humans. Ken, when he gave a talk directly to a conference, read verbatim from his notes. Can you imagine how his reading of that little article to a conference of "Elvis Presley effect" Scientologists would have? I guess it would fall a bit flat :-)
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